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Alan Banks's avatar

Morning Bear,

My reply could fill a book. You are of course correct.

We are where we are because of government policies since the 80s. Thatcher sold off the family silver gave away oil revenues, and made the rich, richer. New Labour increased our debt with pushing the cost of new projects into the future, (PFI).

I didn't start earning until I was 23. Up til then entirely supported by parents or government.

I worked as a doctor in the NHS for 30 yrs, paying taxes and contributing to the NHS pension scheme.

Unfortunately, I had to take early retirement following a massive heart attack.

I have been in receipt of that pension for 22 yrs now.

I'm pretty obviously a massive debit in my society account.

However, those in receipt of pensions tend to spend it and not hide it offshore.

We contribute massively to childcare support. We pay small businesses for work that we previously would have undertaken ourselves. Cleaners, gardeners, decorators builders etc. The money we receive goes straight back into the economy.

Many of us become full time carers, caring for a partner, at no cost to society.

Many become volunteers at no cost to society.

Pensioners can be the glue that keeps a community together.

I've spent most of my week supporting my 90 yr old neighbour following a fall. No charge.

We absolutely require migrants to support the contributors to the economy.

Us old folk aren't the problem. Old folk have always been an essential part of society since humans existed.

Government policies and anti migrant rhetoric are the problem.

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Patrick Mackie's avatar

I am recently retired and my income is two occupational pensions. I do not qualify for my state pension for a couple of years. I take great exception to people describing me as "economically inactive" or not a net contributor, for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, I have been fortunate enough to earn income and pay tax my entire working life; I've always regarded myself pleased to be contributing to the public good, rather than having to rely on it.

Secondly, people in receipt of pensions are still liable for income tax, VAT, council tax, etc., so we still contribute to the tax take. The only exception would be national insurance and, were I to take up paid employment again, then I'd be paying that.

Thirdly, the only way in which I'd be economically-inactive would be were I to sit on all my pension income and never spend anything on food, clothing, running the house or the car, buying nice things for the people I love, or travelling around this country and putting money into the hands of small businesses.

I acknowledge the genuine problems there are with the shrinking non-pensionable workforce, and entirely agree that this right-wing obsession with stopping energetic young people coming into the country and expanding the economy to be completely barking mad, and consider that it's based solely on racist attitudes and instincts. I do, at 64, have more health needs that I did at 24, and this is likely to increase as I get older, but I entirely agree with your analysis, Bear.

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