The tragedy is there is another way which is obvious but costs money. Fully resource and staff a proper immigration service to deal with applications. But no they decided to sell the country's soul. Couldn't agree more if Yaxley Lennon is in your tent pissing out it's time to move to a different campsite.
These plans will cost plenty. The existing system/fuckup costs money. Possibly a cost analysis will show it’s more affordable especially if asylum seekers are allowed to work, and everyone approved will be at work quicker anyway.
I agree, this is absolutely not the way forward to meet our responsibilities towards desperate refugees. The only people who would gain are the property developers building new office blocks to house thousands more civil servants to process it all. Labour should do better and I really hope the proposals are torn apart when it comes before Parliament and the Lords.
I think one, if not all, political parties, are promising to reduce the number of civil servants so I am a little confused as to who will deal with all the extra paperwork. Perhaps they are hoping A.I. will come to their rescue claiming it will be an unbiased ( Ha! ) adjudicator?
They will outsource it to someone who can profit from it while costing the state far more than civil servants, who would do a better job. Look no further than DWP.
I have supported Labour through thick and thin, since I was eleven years old shoving leaflets through doors for the re-election of Harold Wilson. I am a member of the party. I have campaigned, canvassed, cajoled and spent hundreds of hours knocking on doors, posting leaflets and telephone canvassing. We elected a fantastic local MP, dislodging an inept, comfortable Tory at the last General Election and I and many thousands felt a surge of joyous optimism when the country elected a Labour Government with a majority that promised real, positive and progressive change after the disasters of Brexit, the bloviating mendacity of Johnson, the utter uselessness of Truss and the devastating years of austerity. My initial unease with Starmer's Government was slightly eased by the competence and sincerity of our local MPs and the true picture of the devastation and debt left by the Tories. This latest assault on the rights, dignity and safety of the some of the Worlds' most vulnerable people in the pointless, performative pursuit of 'populist' votes leaves me heartbroken. Where in all consciense do I go? Unless the back benchers throw out or at the very least radically amend this dreadful bill, I and I expect many others, will be cancelling our party membership and deeply, sadly seeking a progressive party to support. I feel grief.
Absolutely. As well as making vulnerable people reliant on the State for decades these policies will force migrants and asylum seekers into work in the black economy. How else will they be able to support themselves and their families except by untaxed, unregulated jobs working for exploitative bosses? How will children and young people join, or want to join society? How will they socialise, integrate and engage with other youmg people outside of their family, peers and immediate support group? A recipe for marginalisation, isolation and possibly, radicalisation. These extraordinarily vulnerable people will be further marginalised, ostracised and 'othered', enabling the bigots, racists and xenophobes to exploit an already febrile environment and hasten their fascistic narrative. And it makes absolutely no political sense. It fosters the right while alienating the centre and left. Political ambrosia for Reform UK and the Green Party. I despair.
Immigration per-se is not "tearing the country apart", it is Mahmoud's tone deaf Reform tribute act saying so that makes people believe it, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is of course the con trick that Fartage has been performing on the country for decades now. He merely promises to fix an imagined problem he's planted in gullible people's imagination. The fact that Mahmoud has swallowed it demonstrates her own gullibility.
If they’re panicking now, what will they do when there’s thousands of people in the Southern hemisphere desperate to leave the countries being wiped off the map due to climate change? And, when will someone balance all the numbers against the 1000’s who had to leave because of the insanity of Brexit?
If you mean the Antipodean contingent they are mostly white and Australia and New Zealand are still under British rule so they shouldn't have too much of a problem.
brings back the memories of Nazis confiscated Jews asset… they also use to steal their wedding bands before sending them to concentration camps… we are not there yet but you never know… tables have been completely flipped after 70 odd years
My disgust of Labour at the moment, knows no bounds. That she should stand and say she's the daughter of immigrants, is just rubbing salt into the wounds. Why do these people pull the ladder up behind themselves, utter disgrace.
Isn't it about time the word 'illegal' was removed as an adjective to descibe asylum seekers?
It is wrong because it is not true. There is nothing illegal about arriving without a visa if you are seeking asylum.
What happened to the use of the word 'irregular' to descibe their migration?
It was slightly better but not by much as the channel in a rubber boat has become the regular way for an asylum seeker to get here as it's the ONLY way for them to get here.
Beyond the chilling details of these proposals one must ask what the motivation driving them are. And according to the Bye Line Times yesterday Labour or rather the Blue Labour part is a confluence of McSweeney, Glasman, Steve Bannon (yes of Trump fame) and Mahmood who it seems may be their choice to replace Starmer.
I'm urging you to read the article and circulate the link widely. No good will come of this and the devious and immoral plotting in the background are deeply worrying.
I can’t even with the Labour Party. Disappointed does not begin to cover it. Everyone sticking heads in sand snd pretending like climate change is not going to increase this problem exponentially for the whole world. The only way forward is to devise a humane processing system. Thanks to this “cracking down” care services have increased by about 35% in the LAST THREE MONTHS. So when he comes to try and care for his aged parents - goodbye to all savings his, and his parents. And I hope he suffers.
What you said & more. Shocked & appalled that an allegedly ‘progressive’ party could come out with something that Yaxley-Lennon would applaud. I hope there’s a huge backlash from Labour MPs but I’m not holding my breath. Meanwhile this awful, cruel (& unworkable policy as you describe it) has a chance of becoming law if Tories & Reform vote for it 🤬
Badenoch has already stated that while the Tories would 'have gone further' she applauds the proposals and her Party will support it. Farage is gurning like a Cheshire Cat and planning his "I told you so...." tour of the BBC.
Look I have not read all the article. But… a couple of things. Someone said to me recently that the only party that can really sort out our welfare benefits system is Labour. And I suspect that Immigration & Asylum are in the same camp. Maybe. For clarity. I am 💯 opposed to Reform. Not in the proverbial month of Sundays would I wish for beery Nige and cronies to be in power.
Tbh I’m also not (if you recall previous comments on this channel) of the mind that Immigration necessarily needs fixing. Because aside from it just being the right thing, we 💯 need immigration. If for no other reasons simply to help pay, via taxes, for our futures.
For me the “stop the boats” Asylum issue is political at the headlines level but it should be focused on what the right thing is at the operational level. E.g. are Asylum seeker immigrants (Sorry can’t think of the right word) causing us a problem? I’m not sure they are in the numbers sense?
It’s wrong from a human perspective that they have to pay for a ride in a dodgy / non sea worthy boat for sure, but do we really have massive numbers seeking asylum? Look maybe we do have more that I realise but the real issue seems to me to be just how ‘**king long it takes to process them. That’s operational. We should be much better at it.
💯 we do have a welfare and social care problem. We simply do not have the £ to indefinitely pay for everything and everyone we’re paying for plus the guaranteed (well I think so) fact that we will inevitably have a wider net for things and people in the future to pay for.
We cannot keep on borrowing from our futures to pay for today, unless we have millions more immigrants (and/or asylum seekers who stay and contribute etc too), which we can’t have until we have cities with Star Wars type sky scrapers to fit everyone in. Which imho is catch 22.
I do not know what the solution is.
But… maybe, maybe it starts with “harder criteria”. To turn the tap in an anti-clockwise direction for a turn or two, to find time to find out what the proper answers are.
I don’t think we’re alone in this either. I understand other countries (Portugal for one) are / considering raising the time period for residency e.g. and in another line of thought… is it wrong to consider perhaps that anyone not currently resident / domiciled / citizen of (generalising to not get caught up in the specific differences for now) should pay some for of tax for a while for being here.
So for the avoidance of doubt. Asylum policy as just announced is starting to feel a little like the Tories “Rwanda”. Frankly who in their right mind would think we should process refugees etc and the pay someone else and ship them off to a country not just a helluva long way away but also one that “isn’t like the UK” at all. Wtf were the tories thinking. And in the same vein, Asylum policy as just announced feels like another “wtf” thinking, but this time it’s Labour.
Maybe anyone who gets elected to power loses all sense of normality?
So, I agree that the policy changes are nuts, but maybe the basic premises of making people think twice before trying to come aren’t? I don’t know.
The tragedy is there is another way which is obvious but costs money. Fully resource and staff a proper immigration service to deal with applications. But no they decided to sell the country's soul. Couldn't agree more if Yaxley Lennon is in your tent pissing out it's time to move to a different campsite.
These plans will cost plenty. The existing system/fuckup costs money. Possibly a cost analysis will show it’s more affordable especially if asylum seekers are allowed to work, and everyone approved will be at work quicker anyway.
I agree, this is absolutely not the way forward to meet our responsibilities towards desperate refugees. The only people who would gain are the property developers building new office blocks to house thousands more civil servants to process it all. Labour should do better and I really hope the proposals are torn apart when it comes before Parliament and the Lords.
I think one, if not all, political parties, are promising to reduce the number of civil servants so I am a little confused as to who will deal with all the extra paperwork. Perhaps they are hoping A.I. will come to their rescue claiming it will be an unbiased ( Ha! ) adjudicator?
They will outsource it to someone who can profit from it while costing the state far more than civil servants, who would do a better job. Look no further than DWP.
I have supported Labour through thick and thin, since I was eleven years old shoving leaflets through doors for the re-election of Harold Wilson. I am a member of the party. I have campaigned, canvassed, cajoled and spent hundreds of hours knocking on doors, posting leaflets and telephone canvassing. We elected a fantastic local MP, dislodging an inept, comfortable Tory at the last General Election and I and many thousands felt a surge of joyous optimism when the country elected a Labour Government with a majority that promised real, positive and progressive change after the disasters of Brexit, the bloviating mendacity of Johnson, the utter uselessness of Truss and the devastating years of austerity. My initial unease with Starmer's Government was slightly eased by the competence and sincerity of our local MPs and the true picture of the devastation and debt left by the Tories. This latest assault on the rights, dignity and safety of the some of the Worlds' most vulnerable people in the pointless, performative pursuit of 'populist' votes leaves me heartbroken. Where in all consciense do I go? Unless the back benchers throw out or at the very least radically amend this dreadful bill, I and I expect many others, will be cancelling our party membership and deeply, sadly seeking a progressive party to support. I feel grief.
Absolutely. As well as making vulnerable people reliant on the State for decades these policies will force migrants and asylum seekers into work in the black economy. How else will they be able to support themselves and their families except by untaxed, unregulated jobs working for exploitative bosses? How will children and young people join, or want to join society? How will they socialise, integrate and engage with other youmg people outside of their family, peers and immediate support group? A recipe for marginalisation, isolation and possibly, radicalisation. These extraordinarily vulnerable people will be further marginalised, ostracised and 'othered', enabling the bigots, racists and xenophobes to exploit an already febrile environment and hasten their fascistic narrative. And it makes absolutely no political sense. It fosters the right while alienating the centre and left. Political ambrosia for Reform UK and the Green Party. I despair.
Immigration per-se is not "tearing the country apart", it is Mahmoud's tone deaf Reform tribute act saying so that makes people believe it, and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is of course the con trick that Fartage has been performing on the country for decades now. He merely promises to fix an imagined problem he's planted in gullible people's imagination. The fact that Mahmoud has swallowed it demonstrates her own gullibility.
If they’re panicking now, what will they do when there’s thousands of people in the Southern hemisphere desperate to leave the countries being wiped off the map due to climate change? And, when will someone balance all the numbers against the 1000’s who had to leave because of the insanity of Brexit?
If you mean the Antipodean contingent they are mostly white and Australia and New Zealand are still under British rule so they shouldn't have too much of a problem.
Not really. I’m more concerned with island inhabitants to begin with.
brings back the memories of Nazis confiscated Jews asset… they also use to steal their wedding bands before sending them to concentration camps… we are not there yet but you never know… tables have been completely flipped after 70 odd years
My disgust of Labour at the moment, knows no bounds. That she should stand and say she's the daughter of immigrants, is just rubbing salt into the wounds. Why do these people pull the ladder up behind themselves, utter disgrace.
Isn't it about time the word 'illegal' was removed as an adjective to descibe asylum seekers?
It is wrong because it is not true. There is nothing illegal about arriving without a visa if you are seeking asylum.
What happened to the use of the word 'irregular' to descibe their migration?
It was slightly better but not by much as the channel in a rubber boat has become the regular way for an asylum seeker to get here as it's the ONLY way for them to get here.
Afternoon Bear.
Beyond the chilling details of these proposals one must ask what the motivation driving them are. And according to the Bye Line Times yesterday Labour or rather the Blue Labour part is a confluence of McSweeney, Glasman, Steve Bannon (yes of Trump fame) and Mahmood who it seems may be their choice to replace Starmer.
I'm urging you to read the article and circulate the link widely. No good will come of this and the devious and immoral plotting in the background are deeply worrying.
https://bylinetimes.com/2025/11/17/maurice-glasman-and-morgan-mcsweeney-the-bannon-inspired-blue-labour-lobby-behind-shabana-mahmood/
I’m surprised that they haven’t gone to the level of a giant Squid Game, letting a few in, nd those who fail, are eliminated permanently.
I can’t even with the Labour Party. Disappointed does not begin to cover it. Everyone sticking heads in sand snd pretending like climate change is not going to increase this problem exponentially for the whole world. The only way forward is to devise a humane processing system. Thanks to this “cracking down” care services have increased by about 35% in the LAST THREE MONTHS. So when he comes to try and care for his aged parents - goodbye to all savings his, and his parents. And I hope he suffers.
If my policies excited Farridge and Yaxley-Lenin I'd be very worried. Is Mahmoud wanting to join forces with Priti and Suella?
She already has. I hear 3 is the ideal number of witches to cackle together around a cauldron.
An opportunity for the Lib-Dems and the Green Party to bring away progressives from the Labour Party.
What you said & more. Shocked & appalled that an allegedly ‘progressive’ party could come out with something that Yaxley-Lennon would applaud. I hope there’s a huge backlash from Labour MPs but I’m not holding my breath. Meanwhile this awful, cruel (& unworkable policy as you describe it) has a chance of becoming law if Tories & Reform vote for it 🤬
Badenoch has already stated that while the Tories would 'have gone further' she applauds the proposals and her Party will support it. Farage is gurning like a Cheshire Cat and planning his "I told you so...." tour of the BBC.
Look I have not read all the article. But… a couple of things. Someone said to me recently that the only party that can really sort out our welfare benefits system is Labour. And I suspect that Immigration & Asylum are in the same camp. Maybe. For clarity. I am 💯 opposed to Reform. Not in the proverbial month of Sundays would I wish for beery Nige and cronies to be in power.
Tbh I’m also not (if you recall previous comments on this channel) of the mind that Immigration necessarily needs fixing. Because aside from it just being the right thing, we 💯 need immigration. If for no other reasons simply to help pay, via taxes, for our futures.
For me the “stop the boats” Asylum issue is political at the headlines level but it should be focused on what the right thing is at the operational level. E.g. are Asylum seeker immigrants (Sorry can’t think of the right word) causing us a problem? I’m not sure they are in the numbers sense?
It’s wrong from a human perspective that they have to pay for a ride in a dodgy / non sea worthy boat for sure, but do we really have massive numbers seeking asylum? Look maybe we do have more that I realise but the real issue seems to me to be just how ‘**king long it takes to process them. That’s operational. We should be much better at it.
💯 we do have a welfare and social care problem. We simply do not have the £ to indefinitely pay for everything and everyone we’re paying for plus the guaranteed (well I think so) fact that we will inevitably have a wider net for things and people in the future to pay for.
We cannot keep on borrowing from our futures to pay for today, unless we have millions more immigrants (and/or asylum seekers who stay and contribute etc too), which we can’t have until we have cities with Star Wars type sky scrapers to fit everyone in. Which imho is catch 22.
I do not know what the solution is.
But… maybe, maybe it starts with “harder criteria”. To turn the tap in an anti-clockwise direction for a turn or two, to find time to find out what the proper answers are.
I don’t think we’re alone in this either. I understand other countries (Portugal for one) are / considering raising the time period for residency e.g. and in another line of thought… is it wrong to consider perhaps that anyone not currently resident / domiciled / citizen of (generalising to not get caught up in the specific differences for now) should pay some for of tax for a while for being here.
So for the avoidance of doubt. Asylum policy as just announced is starting to feel a little like the Tories “Rwanda”. Frankly who in their right mind would think we should process refugees etc and the pay someone else and ship them off to a country not just a helluva long way away but also one that “isn’t like the UK” at all. Wtf were the tories thinking. And in the same vein, Asylum policy as just announced feels like another “wtf” thinking, but this time it’s Labour.
Maybe anyone who gets elected to power loses all sense of normality?
So, I agree that the policy changes are nuts, but maybe the basic premises of making people think twice before trying to come aren’t? I don’t know.
Very clear analysis