How the Telegraph, Mail and GB News turned a dangerous global conflict into another excuse to shout “weakness” and a supplicating audition for Trump’s approval.
Bear I have now stopped giggling at the Telegraph being ‘under moisturised ‘.
All the right wing gob shites are willing to sacrifice lives and treasure to fulfil their colonial fantasies.
Go off and risk their own lives? No chance. It is always other people, you know the little ones, the lower orders who are expected to sacrifice themselves.
Whilst the papers are owned by people unwilling to pay the tax for rearmament.
Richard Littlejohn (formerly known as Richard Smalldick)and the rest should be issued baggy shirts, Lee Enfields and parachuted into Tehran.
Wouldn’t win the war, obviously. But it would rid society of some rodents.
The idiocy is terrifying. I seem to remember those same rags screaming blue murder when Blair took us into Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. They were right to do so back then but it's highly unlikely they did so for the right reasons.
Quite honestly, I thought the best idea, once the orange dictator launched an unprovoked attack on another sovereign nation (no matter how nasty the regime), would have been to order the immediate closure of all American bases in this country and send them all back to America…
This idea that “America is always right…” might have held some sway when it was being governed by a president and congress that displayed at least a modicum of decency and restraint but, today, is totally inappropriate. Trump and Co are dangerously deranged and will drag the world into WWIII if they are not stopped. Therefore, any cooperation offered to them should be severely restricted. They should definitely not be allowed to think that the UK is going to become a subservient and Little America!
And while we’re about it, how much of this current “conflict” (God forbid we should call it war, even though America’s action was a blatant act of war) was down to Netanyahu and his paranoia?
During the 2024 election campaign, those rabid rags reminded us constantly that we should never vote Labour because Blair took us into the Iraq war. A. Very. Bad. Thing. Whatever Labour offered, they countered with "but Blair".......
Now, less than two years later, Starmer rightly wants to keep us out of an entirely illegal war and that, somehow, is also a very bad thing.
The hypocrisy is staggering. I dont see them criticising France, Spain, or Germany, who have also declined to take part.
Trump began this war without even asking for Congress approval. As ever, someone (Netanyahu in this case) whispers an idea and off he goes. His Secretary of War, Hegseth, is like a frat boy, giddy with excitement at playing war games and the rest of his "cabinet", hand picked for their loyalty to him, wouldn't even consider asking him to pause and think about all the lives being lost, as it would mean instant firing.
I see many online comments along the lines of, I'm not a fan of Starmer, but he is right in standing up to trump. The people, it seems, are right behind him.
Dear Bear, good morning. I wish that your words could be heard by the masses. Every time I shop in Waitrose the mostly elderly customers, have the Mail in their trolleys. I want to take them out. After they’ve read their papers they listen to the BBC news. Thank you for your vital work. Best wishes.
I think the press have mis-read the room on this one. I have relatives who think "Farage is a sensible chap who you could have a pint with, who'd sort the country out" but even they don't think getting involved in another war in the Middle East is a good idea.
Well said Bear, and not to mention the staggering hypocrisy of demanding "sovereignty" through Brexit but then demanding we must be a vassal state of the US with unquestioning obsequiousness for every brainfart of the orange madman. And the BBC just nods along.
The same media outlets pushing for war in Iran will be the first to demonize the refugees fleeing it. We saw this play out with Syria; we’re watching a preventable humanitarian disaster in the making.
What astounds me is the way Trump’s words are taken seriously. Here is a man whose conversation can veer into gold curtains at any point and yet suddenly he is the voice of wisdom. The government have been walking on eggshells and managing not to blurt out “what is wrong with you” whenever they are trying to handle Trump. The only thing we know for sure is that if Keir Starmer had joined without hesitation the same people would be just as hysterical about that being the wrong thing to do. He wasn’t involved in starting this war but he can’t pretend it doesn’t exist now that it is happening.
They have learned nothing from Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan.
Just point out that America did not turn up to fight the Nazis until half way thru WW2. Shouts of America First from their own then nazi party. Sounds familiar.
I don't read these papers, but I can see how out of touch The Telegraph is from the ridiculous adverts that pop up. The Daily Mail has a dark history going way back and GB News is manufactured propaganda. The 'writers' are disruptors who are thoroughly enjoying themselves with no thoughts to the consequences of their words. I'd be interested to see a tree of how they are all connected to each other as well as other right-wing individuals. My parents used to read the Telegraph and Daily Mail and I did despair about how they were being drip-fed bile, but they were set in their ways. My nice sister and I did spend time trying to provide an antidote. I was shocked the other day to see a person who I had considered to be quite sensible unpacking their shopping with a copy of the Daily Mail on top of their purchases. It's a hard swerve for me from there from now on.
I am not an admirer of Keir Starmer, but he has had some measure of restraint in these times, even if he does grudgingly relent after a couple of days. I think he very much has his eye on how history will view him and it will be kinder to him than Trump who deserves brutal honesty about his nefarious behaviour.
As an aside - Special relationship? Has there ever really been one? What country would want one with a president who belittles and backtracks on his words. It is feeling more and more like a coercive abusive relationship and Great Britain needs to be out of it and looking towards Europe.
Churchill got us all into this mess in 1953 when he persuaded the USA to stage a coup in Iran, overthrow the democratically elected and popular Mohammed Mosadegh, and replace him with the tyrannical Shah. Who in turn was overthrown by the equally tyrannical Khomenei.
Perhaps someone ought to tell Trump that Churchill tried to get the US to join in WWII from the start. The US did join the Allies, eventually, over 2 years later, and only after Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor
I for one am quite pleased we have a PM who considers before acting. I'm in no rush to see the young men and women of this country sent out to come back in body bags or with limbs missing. My idea would be to send all the war mongers out there, let them put their money where their mouths are and then ask them afterwards, how they feel about thinking through the terrible consequences of bombing others.
This attitude that allies' interests are subservient to the USA's is very long-standing. I remember clearly, at the time of the first Gulf War, an American naval officer being interviewed. He stated, without any hint of irony, that "the role of our allies is to preserve the American way of life". If he remained in service, then he could well be in a very senior job by now.
Bear I have now stopped giggling at the Telegraph being ‘under moisturised ‘.
All the right wing gob shites are willing to sacrifice lives and treasure to fulfil their colonial fantasies.
Go off and risk their own lives? No chance. It is always other people, you know the little ones, the lower orders who are expected to sacrifice themselves.
Whilst the papers are owned by people unwilling to pay the tax for rearmament.
Richard Littlejohn (formerly known as Richard Smalldick)and the rest should be issued baggy shirts, Lee Enfields and parachuted into Tehran.
Wouldn’t win the war, obviously. But it would rid society of some rodents.
The idiocy is terrifying. I seem to remember those same rags screaming blue murder when Blair took us into Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. They were right to do so back then but it's highly unlikely they did so for the right reasons.
Quite honestly, I thought the best idea, once the orange dictator launched an unprovoked attack on another sovereign nation (no matter how nasty the regime), would have been to order the immediate closure of all American bases in this country and send them all back to America…
This idea that “America is always right…” might have held some sway when it was being governed by a president and congress that displayed at least a modicum of decency and restraint but, today, is totally inappropriate. Trump and Co are dangerously deranged and will drag the world into WWIII if they are not stopped. Therefore, any cooperation offered to them should be severely restricted. They should definitely not be allowed to think that the UK is going to become a subservient and Little America!
And while we’re about it, how much of this current “conflict” (God forbid we should call it war, even though America’s action was a blatant act of war) was down to Netanyahu and his paranoia?
During the 2024 election campaign, those rabid rags reminded us constantly that we should never vote Labour because Blair took us into the Iraq war. A. Very. Bad. Thing. Whatever Labour offered, they countered with "but Blair".......
Now, less than two years later, Starmer rightly wants to keep us out of an entirely illegal war and that, somehow, is also a very bad thing.
The hypocrisy is staggering. I dont see them criticising France, Spain, or Germany, who have also declined to take part.
Trump began this war without even asking for Congress approval. As ever, someone (Netanyahu in this case) whispers an idea and off he goes. His Secretary of War, Hegseth, is like a frat boy, giddy with excitement at playing war games and the rest of his "cabinet", hand picked for their loyalty to him, wouldn't even consider asking him to pause and think about all the lives being lost, as it would mean instant firing.
I see many online comments along the lines of, I'm not a fan of Starmer, but he is right in standing up to trump. The people, it seems, are right behind him.
Dear Bear, good morning. I wish that your words could be heard by the masses. Every time I shop in Waitrose the mostly elderly customers, have the Mail in their trolleys. I want to take them out. After they’ve read their papers they listen to the BBC news. Thank you for your vital work. Best wishes.
Yes yes yes!
I think the press have mis-read the room on this one. I have relatives who think "Farage is a sensible chap who you could have a pint with, who'd sort the country out" but even they don't think getting involved in another war in the Middle East is a good idea.
Wait til those rellies find out that Ffarij was PAID to make public statements supporting the IRA a few weeks ago.
He really will do anything & say anything for a few bob.
Well said Bear, and not to mention the staggering hypocrisy of demanding "sovereignty" through Brexit but then demanding we must be a vassal state of the US with unquestioning obsequiousness for every brainfart of the orange madman. And the BBC just nods along.
The same media outlets pushing for war in Iran will be the first to demonize the refugees fleeing it. We saw this play out with Syria; we’re watching a preventable humanitarian disaster in the making.
My thoughts exactly. The world was already on fire and they’re throwing petrol on the flames 🔥
What astounds me is the way Trump’s words are taken seriously. Here is a man whose conversation can veer into gold curtains at any point and yet suddenly he is the voice of wisdom. The government have been walking on eggshells and managing not to blurt out “what is wrong with you” whenever they are trying to handle Trump. The only thing we know for sure is that if Keir Starmer had joined without hesitation the same people would be just as hysterical about that being the wrong thing to do. He wasn’t involved in starting this war but he can’t pretend it doesn’t exist now that it is happening.
“He’s no Churchill”?
Well for sure he’s no Roosevelt.
They have learned nothing from Iraq, Libya or Afghanistan.
Just point out that America did not turn up to fight the Nazis until half way thru WW2. Shouts of America First from their own then nazi party. Sounds familiar.
I don't read these papers, but I can see how out of touch The Telegraph is from the ridiculous adverts that pop up. The Daily Mail has a dark history going way back and GB News is manufactured propaganda. The 'writers' are disruptors who are thoroughly enjoying themselves with no thoughts to the consequences of their words. I'd be interested to see a tree of how they are all connected to each other as well as other right-wing individuals. My parents used to read the Telegraph and Daily Mail and I did despair about how they were being drip-fed bile, but they were set in their ways. My nice sister and I did spend time trying to provide an antidote. I was shocked the other day to see a person who I had considered to be quite sensible unpacking their shopping with a copy of the Daily Mail on top of their purchases. It's a hard swerve for me from there from now on.
I am not an admirer of Keir Starmer, but he has had some measure of restraint in these times, even if he does grudgingly relent after a couple of days. I think he very much has his eye on how history will view him and it will be kinder to him than Trump who deserves brutal honesty about his nefarious behaviour.
As an aside - Special relationship? Has there ever really been one? What country would want one with a president who belittles and backtracks on his words. It is feeling more and more like a coercive abusive relationship and Great Britain needs to be out of it and looking towards Europe.
Churchill got us all into this mess in 1953 when he persuaded the USA to stage a coup in Iran, overthrow the democratically elected and popular Mohammed Mosadegh, and replace him with the tyrannical Shah. Who in turn was overthrown by the equally tyrannical Khomenei.
Perhaps someone ought to tell Trump that Churchill tried to get the US to join in WWII from the start. The US did join the Allies, eventually, over 2 years later, and only after Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor
I for one am quite pleased we have a PM who considers before acting. I'm in no rush to see the young men and women of this country sent out to come back in body bags or with limbs missing. My idea would be to send all the war mongers out there, let them put their money where their mouths are and then ask them afterwards, how they feel about thinking through the terrible consequences of bombing others.
This attitude that allies' interests are subservient to the USA's is very long-standing. I remember clearly, at the time of the first Gulf War, an American naval officer being interviewed. He stated, without any hint of irony, that "the role of our allies is to preserve the American way of life". If he remained in service, then he could well be in a very senior job by now.